Welcome Descendants of James and Esther (Clark) Muncy

We welcome the descendants of James and Esther (Clark) Muncy of New York into the Muncy Family Database. James Muncy and his New York descendants have been known for some time, but it has been difficult to connect them to either Francis or William Muncy. However, a review of William Muncy’s descendants shows that William’s gg grandson, David Munsey, had at least five sons who were raised in Stafford County, New Hampshire. All of these sons — except Daniel — remained in New Hampshire and raised their families. However, Daniel moved into New York (Columbia County and later Oneida County). It is believed that James was born about 1793 in New York, possibly Columbia County where his brother was born in 1791. This birth date coincides closely with the birthdates of sister Deborah (b. 1783 in Oneida County) and John (b. 1791 in Columbia County). There may well have been other children.

While it is not proven that James Muncy is a descendant of William Muncy, no other logical candidates emerge at this early date in New York. Therefore the descendants of James Muncy of New York have been imported into the William Muncy database until evidence proves this is not where they belong.

We also applaud James and Esther Muncy’s sense of humor. The first name of all eight children begins with the letter “A”. It should be pointed out that some descendants of Daniel Munsey adopted the “Munsee” spelling.

August Update

(submitted a little early since I’m traveling the first week of August)

Expiration Notices Sent In Error

A loose nut on the keyboard resulted in expiration notices being sent to all registered users of the Muncy Family Database. Each registration is subject to expiration after two years of inactivity. The notice was intended for three registered users, but was unfortunately sent to all registered users. A follow-up email was sent, but just in case it didn’t reach you – you can safely ignore the expiration warning, unless of course you have not logged in in two years. My apologies for the confusion.

Database Activity

July was an active month with nine new registered users added during the month. Seven new photographs have been added. About 175 individual records have been added or changed. Be sure to check “What’s New” to see the additions and changes in the past 30 days.

Genealogy Website Links Added

For researchers, a drop-down list of genealogy websites is now included on the personal pages of database records. The available options include Ancestry, FamilySearch, FindAGrave, GoogleWeb, Wikipedia, GoogleBooks, MyHeritage, National Archives, Rootsweb Surnames, and Rootsweb WorldConnect. Selecting a site from the available options automatically prefills search data for the site and opens a page on the service’s web site. However, you may want to double-check to see that the fields were prefilled correctly. Some sites, particularly Ancestry, slightly alter their search forms depending on how it is accessed. (Nothing I can do about this, so just confirm the form is filled correctly.) For some services, you must be a member or registered to open the information (Ancestry, FamilySearch, MyHeritage). (Note: this addition is a separate module offered by a third party and I am unable to provide support for the various services. — Steve)

Tips for Submitting Photos

Whenever possible, submit your photos as JPEG, TIFF or PNG files, but I can convert most formats. If you are taking a photo of a framed photograph, remove the original from the frame (or at least remove the glass which introduces glare). Try to make sure that you have the correct angle when taking a photo of an exisiting image – in other words, the top and the bottom of your photo should be the same width. If you don’t do this, it is likely that your photograph will appear warped. If you are taking photos of an image with your cell phone, I suggest you take multiple shots and send in the best of the bunch. I usually try to “clean up” dust spots, scratches and alignment issues in Photoshop. The better your original, the better the final copy will be. However, I can’t spend hours restoring old photos. Be aware that old negatives and original photograph deterioriate over time. If you have a cherished old photo or tintype, I suggest you have it professionally scanned and restored in photoshop to preserve it for the future. Don’t wait until the old photo is too far gone for restoration!!! Photos submitted should be of: (1) a Muncy or alternate spelling; (2) the spouse of a Muncy; or (3) the child of a Muncy. Please, no photos of individuals whose grandparents were Muncy and not included in the database. You photo submission should contain the ID number of the person referenced in the photo.

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July Update


The Muncy Family Database (MFD) now includes records on more than 10,000 persons in the William and Francis Muncy trees. This represents over 3600 families. The Francis Muncy family continues to dominate the database with a total of 8700 included in Francis Muncy Descendants, but we are continuing to add to the family of William Muncy Descendants. Currently the William Muncy database includes 1300 individuals and 514 families. If you are a descendant of William Muncy, you can help us get those numbers up! Use the worksheets (described below) to submit information to be added to the database.


A new English tree has been added to the database. The “English Families Not Connected” tree includes information on almost 2500 individuals in England during the 1600’s, 1700’s and 1800’s. Sources for this information is primarily parish records. While extensive, there is a lot more information out there that is not included in this tree. Where possible, family groups have been linked but in most cases the information necessary to link them has not been found. Unlike the trees for descendants of William and Francis Muncy in which almost all “Muncy” references begin with “MUN”, there are many refereces in this tree that begin with “MON” and “MOUN.” For this reason, you should more limit your search to a specific tree (rather than all trees) or even better use the “soundex of” pop-up option in the advanced search box for the last name. Using the “soundex of” option results in a list of all names sounding alike so you would get “Mouncey”, “Munsey”, “Monsy” and “Muncy” in your results. This tree has been added to assist those who might want to do further research into family links in England. I do not anticipate putting a lot of personal time in on this tree since I’ve got a load of other duties, but I’m happy to assist anyone trying to use this tree to explore English roots – and even happier to update any new information you may find. If you are interested in researching the Muncy family in England, be sure to read the items listed in “Research Data” in the column on the left.


Family Worksheets were incorporated during June. You can now submit family group worksheets to update information in the database. Worksheets can remain active for future updates and changes and can be accessed online by simply clicking a link in your acknowledgement email. Worksheets are reviewed by the Administrator and merged when the information is deemed reliable. The Submitter’s Guide has been updated to include this information and instructions.


Unfortunately, some genealogy web sites have suffered from robots or users who rip data from the database in MASSIVE amounts. Our system protects data for living or recently deceased persons so you should have no security concerns. We want the Muncy Family Database to be a useful tool for family research – but this is a two-way street. We need information from users, and we want to supply accurate and helpful information to those who are searching their family history. “Riping” a genealogical database by downloading hundreds or thousands of names that have no relation to your genealogical search is a violation of the purposes of the Muncy Family Database. We have no way of knowing how this data is to be used — but it isn’t used for researching your personal family history. In order to make sure that our system is used the way it is intended, we are prohibiting the “riping” of data by registered users and will take steps to make sure this does not occur.


In order to implement better security features and prevent ripping of data, registration is now required. Registration is simple — just click the link on the Muncy Family Database home page and fill in your information. You registration request will be approved within one day, and usually in a matter of hours.

Claude Henderson Muncy Sr.: Looking for Connections

Claude H. Muncy (b. 1895 / d. 1974) was a son of William Tecumseh Sherman Muncy (Sherman) and Essie Catherine Tudor Muncy. He was born in Oklahoma and died in Arkansas after serving for over thirty years in the U. S. Navy. He had one child — a son named after himself, Claude H. Muncy, Jr.

Claude Jr. became a hero after he was killed on the U.S.S. Arizona at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. Claude Sr. lost his only son–his only off-spring. Claude Jr. was not married.

Claude Sr. outlived his second wife, Violet Bettis Muncy.

I was recently contacted by a family that had inherited papers and photos from Claude Muncy Sr. They obtained these materials after a distant cousin died who was a distant cousin Claude. These materials were sent to me in the event that a relative or connection to Claude Muncy can be found who wants them. Many of the photos, letters, etc. are related to the Doshier and Halley families.

If you are connected in any way to Claude Muncy, I’d be happy to send you these materials to keep them in the family. Just send me email and describe your family connection to Claude Muncy.

Read Those Notes!

While using the Muncy Family Database and selecting a record after a search, you will be presented with a tabbed screen providing different kinds of information for that individual’s record. Information  provided for that record includes personal information, media, notes, sources, and a event map.

The Sources tab provides a list of sources for the information  in the  individual record.  A record with no sources, or a very limited number of sources, can be suspect. It is important to know that the sources of information are credible, unlike Ancestry where you will encounter many users who  do no research and rely almost solely on the opinions of others.  Don’t fall into this  trap! You will find most of the names in this database have good sources and that can be your assurance that the information is well researched.

The Notes tab is an EXTEMELY important source of information – and you should always read the Notes tab on the individual record. This is where you will find Find A Grave memorial numbers, and notes that certain information is not proven or speculative. Unfortunately,  try as hard as we  might, we are not  always able to  prove descent or relationships. This is where “we think  he is the son but  can’t prove  it” notations are made. There are many examples of this in the Muncy Family Database, and you won’t know that a relation is speculative unless you READ THE NOTES!

Were The Early Muncys Vikings?

For many years Muncy genealogies have stated that the Muncy line originated in Normandy. It was assumed that one or more Muncy ancestors came to England with William the Conqueror, and that the Muncy name (and similar spellings) were a corruption of De Monceaux. An eminent authority “Dr. Whitaker” contends that the line originated from Roman families who possibly settled in Gaul and then came to England with William the Conqueror. All these assumptions are based on the “Munsey-Hopkins Genealogy” by D.O.S. Lowell in 1920. As far as I know, this century-old theory has never been fully investigated or authenticated.

Is this true? I don’t know. I once accepted the theory as fact but now have serious doubts.

Dr. Whitaker and D.O.S. Lowell were using information available to them at the time. Today, we have access to far more information and records and what we now know casts a serious shadow on the Rome to Normandy to England theory.

DNA is telling us a lot. And Y-DNA is opening our eyes to new possibilities. For those who aren’t familar with Y-DNA, this form of DNA is passed down ONLY from father to son. Mutations can and do occur along the way, but I have essentially the same Y-DNA as my Muncy ancestor 1000 years ago. Through Family Tree DNA I tested my Y-DNA at the 111-marker level. That is normally as high as you can go without going to a very expensive, very detailed test known as the “Big Y.”  You can’t really go any further than the “Big Y.”  I felt no need to do the Big Y test because my 111-marker test was giving me comparisons I needed and wanted and was proving very, very helpful in my genealogy searches.

I was surprised when I received an email from a group asking if I would take the Big Y test – and they would provide a scholarship (covering the entire cost) for the test.  It seems that they had seen my 111-marker results and some additional SNP testing I had done and were intrigued. They believed my results matched the groupings from Norway and Sweden and they were interested in Viking descendants in England. I was a good candidate for their search and I consented to the test.

It took a long time to get the final results, but the results confirmed what they believed.  I am currently classed as I-S8104. A few others in the Muncey Project who have had more extensive testing done are also included in the I-S8104 group. I am confident that others in the Muncey Project would also be included in this group if they extended their testing.

ALL OF THE OTHERS CLOSELY MATCHING ME IN I-S8104 ARE IN NORWAY OR SWEDEN. No one closely matching me in this group is in France or Normandy.

Starting in the eighth century B.C., Viking invaders began incursions and settlements in the British Isles. The BBC has a good summary of Viking activity in England that I won’t repeat here. (summary of Viking activity)

So, does this prove that the male ancestors of today’s Muncy family came to England as Viking invaders? Although I believe this is probably the case, it does not rule out that our ancestors came as invaders from Normandy with William the Conqueror since there were also some Viking descendants in Normandy. However, we currenly show no close matches in France and we do show close matches with Norway and Sweden. It is possible that more extensive testing in France will show the presence of I-S8104 descendants.

DNA testing is changing how we research our family history. For those males who carry the Muncy surname, I strongly urge you to consider having a Y-DNA test at Family Tree DNA and joing the FTDNA Muncey Project.

Muncy Family Database: Introduction and Searching

Thank you for reading this blog, but the most important part of the MuncyFamily.info site is the Muncy Family Database. Look to the left column and notice the “Muncy Family Database” link, or you can always directly access the database by jumping to and bookmarking ” http://www.muncyfamily.info/muncydata

The Muncy Family Database is designed to maintain genealogical information on the Muncy Family, but also related information including photos, documents, cemetery locations, reports, sources, statistics, etc. Not all features have been fully implemented, but many are ready for use.

This database includes two separate and distinct databases – one related to the descendants of Francis Muncy and one related to the descendants of William Muncy. Whenever you see a “Tree:” pop-up button, you can select the tree for Francis or William descendants.  If you don’t select a specific tree, the entire database is selected.  For example, if you don’t know if a specific person is a descendant of Francis or William, you can search both to find the area in which information on that person is located.

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ANCESTRY.COM – The Good, The Bad, The Ugly

I’ve been a subscriber of Ancestry for many years. Hopefully I’ll stay a subscriber for many more years. My experience with Ancestry has taught me that it offers great benefits for research, but also provides novices with false and misleading information and can create genealogies that are worthless.

The Good

As a research tool, Ancestry is awesome – as long as you look at original sources and avoid relying on other subscribers’ family trees as shortcuts. On Ancestry you can find census records and voters lists, marriage records, birth records, death records, military records, directories, land and tax records, wills,  reprints of archives, copies of old books, and on and on. Years ago this kind of information required a trip to the courthouse or library and waiting for interlibrary loans to provide microfilm of documents from remote sources.  Today most of this information is available through Ancestry. Ancestry does NOT have everything – trips to the courthouse might still be required – but what Ancestry does provide has been a godsend to researchers.

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The Muncey Project at FTDNA

Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has a surname project, appropriately named “The Muncey Project.” This project was created on January 1, 2015 in order to determine the history and relationships of the various Muncy families in America and around the world.

This project is for anyone who descends from the Muncey, Muncy, Munsey, Munsy or similarly spelled lines, including people who have taken the FTDNA Family Finder test. We are also looking for males who carry the Muncey or derivative surnames to determine if they share share a common male ancestor through Y-chromosome testing and to find additional cousins and relationships through autosomal testing

This is currently a small group, but with time it will grow – and as it grows it will be even more informative and helpful. Joining the project is easy and there is no charge although you must purchase (or have purchased) a test from FTDNA to participate. You can jump to the join page by clicking “The Muncey Project at FTDNA” menu item in the left column of this page,  or click this link and then click the “Join” button. If you have not yet tested with FTDNA, you will be given the opportunity to purchase a test at the same time you join the project. If you are logged into FTDNA, simply select the “Projects” drop down menu, select “Join a Project” and search for the “Muncey” in the Search by Surname box (note the spelling).

VERY IMPORTANT!  Significant discounts on purchasing tests are given when you join the group so make sure you join the group BEFORE you test.  If you purchase a test this week, and join the group next week, you don’t get the discount. JOIN FIRST!

ALL of the current testers are descendants of Francis Muncy (b. 1630s. d. 1674). We very much need testers who are descendants of William Muncy (b. 1640’s. d. 1698). Until we get a descendant of William Muncy to test, we are not able to compare the results to Francis Muncy to establish a relationship! If you are a descendant of William Muncy and considering testing, please contact me or leave a comment and I will contact you. (When you leave a comment, your email address is not published.)

Of our current members, one member of the project is descended from Thomas Muncey, born in Hertfordshire, England in 1710. This project member lives in Australia and his ancestors never settled in North America. Out of 111 markers tested, he has only three mutations from the profile of our Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA). Based on this information, this person is probably my 10th cousin (or closer).

Three members of the project show NO mutations of the 111 markers from the profile of our direct common ancestor.  (I have a single mutation in 111 markers). The more Muncy males that test, the better we will be able to identify different lines and relationships.  If you are a Muncy male, I urge you to take a FTDNA Y-Chromosome test–particularly the 67-marker test if possible, but the 37-marker test will also help.

I maintain a spreadsheet noting mutations and groupings and will provide any members of the Muncey Project with updates if they send me a request to be added to the list. Please use the “contact us” link to request the spreadsheet updates.  (As an incentive to join the Muncey Project, only members of the project will receive the spreadsheet and updates.)


Steve Muncy